Hi. Good to hear things seem to be getting better, albeit as we know, it takes time and perseverance. Somehow intuitively I feel that what the naturopath said is true, meaning that the vaccine triggers some underlying condition or brings out our "weak spots".. Especially when talking about "boosters" , people seem to experience more adverse symptoms. Have heard many friends / close relatives share their experience with the booster, luckily thought they all have said that the symptoms didnt last long... best wishes
Hi, it does make sense, otherwise why would the majority of the population be okay after 3 shots? I was in a room on clubhouse the other day (it’s a social media audio app) and they were talking about Covid 19 and Vaccines. This doctor said that the vaccine should stay into the arm muscle, he said that if the vaccine goes into the bloodstream, that’s when it will cause problems. So I wonder if that’s what happened to us. Anyways, who knows at this point!
I also had that theory. I wondered if it went into my bloodstream?
There is a process during injection that was supposed to be followed, making sure the needle does not have blood in it (yours) right before injection. This process was not adhered to, but I feel the injections cause problems for some even when injected 'correctly'. More on 'proper injections here, scroll down
https://www.healthline.com/health/intramuscular-injection#howtoc
I pray we don't get fooled again.
Irrespective of whatever has happened while injecting us, I hope we get back to normal.
Right now, all we have is speculations. No concrete answer. No medical assistance. No assurance that we can heal. People who say we can still don't know if we really will.
I just keep thinking about how we go back to what we once were. This is soul tearing!
Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:
1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.
2. An over-activation of our immune system
3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body
4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms
5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.
Thoughts?
@jkro It was me, a month or two ago! Ha. It makes sense that it might help to fight off the spike protein in the vaccine - thus relieving us of symptoms. Let us know if your provider prescribes it!
May I know what could help fighting this demon!🥺
Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:
1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.
2. An over-activation of our immune system
3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body
4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms
5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.
Thoughts?
It could be all or a combination of it.
What matters is how can we go back to what we once were and we don't have an answer to it.
I've read some people trying everything and nothing worked. And some didn't do anything at all apart from eating clean and they felt better. But have hardly seen someone feeling 100% like before without any relapses.
Only a miracle can save us!
@medee if I look back it’s possible that acupuncture helped a touch but honestly no real improvements. It’s been the same high pitched tone for 11 months straight, 24/7. I do notice it’s louder when my blood pressure increases and when I eat high sodium foods. I mostly just focus now on my mental health as I have no reason to believe this tinnitus will resolve. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer. I’m going to talk to my GP about BP meds to help and he suggested I try an antidepressant, that some find relief with that.
Have you tried Ginko? other things discussed here https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resources/spike-protein-detox-guide/
None! There are no supplements or medical assistance for vaxx injuries here in India.
Basic supplements you will get. But most aren't available here. Moreover there aren't any naturopath or functional doctors here. If there are, hardly one or two here and there and they charge one time huge amount.
@medee, I too have some tinnitus from time to time, but not too serious, from playing a brass instrument or so I thought. But your situation made me research more. It is a known adverse reaction from the mNRA injections. From my understanding of tinnitus, the problem seems to be (brain) inflammation..(even very minor) ...so anything you can do to decrease inflammation anywhere will likely help. Maybe the salty foods trigger it because salty foods somehow increase inflammation. Tumeric, Zanzibar and Rosemary are probably available to you and you could try to up your intake of them. See this paper, additional herbs are listed such as Devils claw and Indian Olibanum...hope this helps-
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2016/9130979/ you might search herbal tinnitus remedies premade...
Tumeric Rosemary tea anyone? best jackie
Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:
1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.
2. An over-activation of our immune system
3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body
4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms
5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.
Thoughts?
The jab damages our own innate immune systems, for some temporarily, for some more long term. I am hearing that the proteins are still present at 15 months. The jab has only been available for that much time, so it could be more. To say it attacks the weak points sort of puts the blame back on the otherwise healthy victims, most of whom were OK before it. As far as I can see many of the reactions are common to poison ingestions/poisonings, due to the spike protein itself being toxic to our cells. Harsh scene.
@medee if I look back it’s possible that acupuncture helped a touch but honestly no real improvements. It’s been the same high pitched tone for 11 months straight, 24/7. I do notice it’s louder when my blood pressure increases and when I eat high sodium foods. I mostly just focus now on my mental health as I have no reason to believe this tinnitus will resolve. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer. I’m going to talk to my GP about BP meds to help and he suggested I try an antidepressant, that some find relief with that.
Have you tried Ginko? other things discussed here https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resources/spike-protein-detox-guide/
None! There are no supplements or medical assistance for vaxx injuries here in India.
Basic supplements you will get. But most aren't available here. Moreover there aren't any naturopath or functional doctors here. If there are, hardly one or two here and there and they charge one time huge amount.
@medee, I too have some tinnitus from time to time, but not too serious, from playing a brass instrument or so I thought. But your situation made me research more. It is a known adverse reaction from the mNRA injections. From my understanding of tinnitus, the problem seems to be (brain) inflammation..(even very minor) ...so anything you can do to decrease inflammation anywhere will likely help. Maybe the salty foods trigger it because salty foods somehow increase inflammation. Tumeric, Zanzibar and Rosemary are probably available to you and you could try to up your intake of them. See this paper, additional herbs are listed such as Devils claw and Indian Olibanum...hope this helps-
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2016/9130979/ you might search herbal tinnitus remedies premade...
Tumeric Rosemary tea anyone? best jackie
@jacquelynsauriol thanks a ton for this!
I was just looking for herbal teas myself as the one I had are almost over. My guess is the same as yours. Some brain issue and my nerves in my head constantly pain. Cannot do an MRI as I am concerned it will affect my ears knowing the fact that MRI scanners are usually loud. Also I'm claustrophobic.🥲
Few anti inflammatory teas can be as below:
- Ginger, Turmeric, Circumin, Tulsi, Mint, have heard oolong tea also works.
There are many other herbs.
If it is inflammation, not sure how can we tackle that without medication. A lot of us have been trying anti inflammatory foods and few have tried supplements as well.
I will try the herbal teas and share if anything helped. Hope you're recovering.
@medee if I look back it’s possible that acupuncture helped a touch but honestly no real improvements. It’s been the same high pitched tone for 11 months straight, 24/7. I do notice it’s louder when my blood pressure increases and when I eat high sodium foods. I mostly just focus now on my mental health as I have no reason to believe this tinnitus will resolve. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer. I’m going to talk to my GP about BP meds to help and he suggested I try an antidepressant, that some find relief with that.
Have you tried Ginko? other things discussed here https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resources/spike-protein-detox-guide/
None! There are no supplements or medical assistance for vaxx injuries here in India.
Basic supplements you will get. But most aren't available here. Moreover there aren't any naturopath or functional doctors here. If there are, hardly one or two here and there and they charge one time huge amount.
@medee, I too have some tinnitus from time to time, but not too serious, from playing a brass instrument or so I thought. But your situation made me research more. It is a known adverse reaction from the mNRA injections. From my understanding of tinnitus, the problem seems to be (brain) inflammation..(even very minor) ...so anything you can do to decrease inflammation anywhere will likely help. Maybe the salty foods trigger it because salty foods somehow increase inflammation. Tumeric, Zanzibar and Rosemary are probably available to you and you could try to up your intake of them. See this paper, additional herbs are listed such as Devils claw and Indian Olibanum...hope this helps-
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/aps/2016/9130979/ you might search herbal tinnitus remedies premade...
Tumeric Rosemary tea anyone? best jackie
@jacquelynsauriol thanks a ton for this!
I was just looking for herbal teas myself as the one I had are almost over. My guess is the same as yours. Some brain issue and my nerves in my head constantly pain. Cannot do an MRI as I am concerned it will affect my ears knowing the fact that MRI scanners are usually loud. Also I'm claustrophobic.🥲
Few anti inflammatory teas can be as below:
- Ginger, Turmeric, Circumin, Tulsi, Mint, have heard oolong tea also works.
There are many other herbs.
If it is inflammation, not sure how can we tackle that without medication. A lot of us have been trying anti inflammatory foods and few have tried supplements as well.
I will try the herbal teas and share if anything helped. Hope you're recovering.
Also I missed on adding that I took the Adenovirus vaccine - AstraZeneca. This doesn't alter the DNA.
But as we all know whether mRna or Adenovirus vaccine, the side effects have been the same.
No clue which one is better and which isn't as we all are in the same boat!😭🤦🏼♀️
Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:
1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.
2. An over-activation of our immune system
3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body
4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms
5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.
Thoughts?
It could be all or a combination of it.
What matters is how can we go back to what we once were and we don't have an answer to it.
I've read some people trying everything and nothing worked. And some didn't do anything at all apart from eating clean and they felt better. But have hardly seen someone feeling 100% like before without any relapses.
Only a miracle can save us!
I agree that it may be a combination, but we don’t really know for sure yet. But it does matter why because that is the first step in figuring out a solution.
it is weird that recovery looks different for everyone, but I do not think recovery is impossible or will take a miracle. Although I would welcome a miracle right now. Others have recovered so why can’t we, as they all said I guess time may be what’s most important.
Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:
1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.
2. An over-activation of our immune system
3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body
4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms
5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.
Thoughts?
The jab damages our own innate immune systems, for some temporarily, for some more long term. I am hearing that the proteins are still present at 15 months. The jab has only been available for that much time, so it could be more. To say it attacks the weak points sort of puts the blame back on the otherwise healthy victims, most of whom were OK before it. As far as I can see many of the reactions are common to poison ingestions/poisonings, due to the spike protein itself being toxic to our cells. Harsh scene.
I appreciate your comment. It seems you are pretty confident about the mechanism and potential timelines. I am unsure that we can have that much confidence as so many people and experts (even ones on our side) don’t really truly know yet. But I thank you for giving me your thoughts as that is what I wanted to hear.
Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:
1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.
2. An over-activation of our immune system
3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body
4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms
5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.
Thoughts?
It could be all or a combination of it.
What matters is how can we go back to what we once were and we don't have an answer to it.
I've read some people trying everything and nothing worked. And some didn't do anything at all apart from eating clean and they felt better. But have hardly seen someone feeling 100% like before without any relapses.
Only a miracle can save us!
I agree that it may be a combination, but we don’t really know for sure yet. But it does matter why because that is the first step in figuring out a solution.
it is weird that recovery looks different for everyone, but I do not think recovery is impossible or will take a miracle. Although I would welcome a miracle right now. Others have recovered so why can’t we, as they all said I guess time may be what’s most important.
I agree, we need to know the cause but nobody is going to help us at least not at the moment. Medical field is busy being pro vax and naming us crazy.
What we can do is, continue the diet and supplements. Keep in touch with each other and see what worked for others and what didn't and we can accordingly try it for ourselves.
I have seen a lot of doctors overseas being helpful but I cannot say the same about the doctors I've seen in my country. What has helped me is this forum.
We have to find a way out by ourself. I am trying to look for more information as well. I'll share if anything works out.
@jacquelynsauriol has shared some informative links. You could check that. Also I had shared a similar post on this. I'll share the link if I can.
How long have you been into this nightmare? For me its 2.5 months. I woukd have been better if I had not tried few medications. The medicines made it worse for me in the 2nd month. Regret taking it.
Here's the link https://vestibular.org/forum/postid/18290/
Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:
1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.
2. An over-activation of our immune system
3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body
4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms
5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.
Thoughts?
The jab damages our own innate immune systems, for some temporarily, for some more long term. I am hearing that the proteins are still present at 15 months. The jab has only been available for that much time, so it could be more. To say it attacks the weak points sort of puts the blame back on the otherwise healthy victims, most of whom were OK before it. As far as I can see many of the reactions are common to poison ingestions/poisonings, due to the spike protein itself being toxic to our cells. Harsh scene.
@sickofthis, to add, re your point 2)
The first claim for a covid vaccine injury has been settled--in favor of the victim.
I'm a 39 male from the UK. I had 1st and 2nd jabs of Pfyzer in May and August. I also had a booster a week ago and I am 4 days in to having Tinnitus, constantly in my right ear. The hearing in my right ear has always been a bit naff, going as far back as I can remember. I call it a weakness that I have. I think this booster was administered too soon after the 2nd jab and it's caused some kind of inflammation, possibly Labyrinthitis? During the day it doesn't bother me too much. I mean I can hear there is a constant ringing but it doesn't stop me going about my day. My ear sort of feels full. Initially I thought it was caused by compacted ear wax. I had the ear wax thing seen to today and the Tinnitus is still very much there. I just hope it doesn't intensify more than this because I don't fancy trying out Insomnia!
I have a dog and go on a decent walk across fields and through woodland everyday. About 2 miles, nothing at all difficult and it's usually really enjoyable as I like being outdoors, even when it's British winter. But since this booster I've found it really quite difficult to do the walk. I feel like I'm twice as heavy and have to tell myself "come on stop going so slow" I'm normally walking with my head up and smiling, at least inside but not lately. I seem to not be noticing things and my head is down. I have never suffered with depression and have a happy go lucky approach.
I hope this doesn't continue much longer. I will keep active and come out the other side I'm sure. When that happens I will feel happy about taking the booster. Right now I regret it.
@medee I can also add that tinnitus is a b*tch. it decreased max 35-40% over the first 3 months, but also increased during my relapses in later months. even worse, I also got frequent SBUTT which I never had before. it has been over 6 months now and I'm ~90% recovered except the tinnitus part which is reluctant to change. f#@% that