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sickofthis
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Posted by: @medee
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Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:

1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.

2. An over-activation of our immune system

3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body

4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms

5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.

Thoughts?

It could be all or a combination of it. 

What matters is how can we go back to what we once were and we don't have an answer to it.

I've read some people trying everything and nothing worked. And some didn't do anything at all apart from eating clean and they felt better. But have hardly seen someone feeling 100% like before without any relapses.

Only a miracle can save us!

I agree that it may be a combination, but we don’t really know for sure yet. But it does matter why because that is the first step in figuring out a solution.

it is weird that recovery looks different for everyone, but I do not think recovery is impossible or will take a miracle. Although I would welcome a miracle right now. Others have recovered so why can’t we, as they all said I guess time may be what’s most important.


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sickofthis
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Posted by: @jacquelynsauriol
Posted by: @sickofthis

Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:

1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.

2. An over-activation of our immune system

3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body

4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms

5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.

Thoughts?

The jab damages our own innate immune systems, for some temporarily, for some more long term. I am hearing that the proteins are still present at 15 months.  The jab has only been available for that much time, so it could be more. To say it attacks the weak points sort of puts the blame back on the otherwise healthy victims, most of whom were OK before it. As far as I can see many of the reactions are common to poison ingestions/poisonings, due to the spike protein itself being toxic to our cells.  Harsh scene.

 

I appreciate your comment. It seems you are pretty confident about the mechanism and potential timelines. I am unsure that we can have that much confidence as so many people and experts (even ones on our side) don’t really truly know yet. But I thank you for giving me your thoughts as that is what I wanted to hear.


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Posted by: @sickofthis
Posted by: @medee
Posted by: @sickofthis

Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:

1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.

2. An over-activation of our immune system

3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body

4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms

5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.

Thoughts?

It could be all or a combination of it. 

What matters is how can we go back to what we once were and we don't have an answer to it.

I've read some people trying everything and nothing worked. And some didn't do anything at all apart from eating clean and they felt better. But have hardly seen someone feeling 100% like before without any relapses.

Only a miracle can save us!

I agree that it may be a combination, but we don’t really know for sure yet. But it does matter why because that is the first step in figuring out a solution.

it is weird that recovery looks different for everyone, but I do not think recovery is impossible or will take a miracle. Although I would welcome a miracle right now. Others have recovered so why can’t we, as they all said I guess time may be what’s most important.

I agree, we need to know the cause but nobody is going to help us at least not at the moment. Medical field is busy being pro vax and naming us crazy.

What we can do is, continue the diet and supplements. Keep in touch with each other and see what worked for others and what didn't and we can accordingly try it for ourselves.

I have seen a lot of doctors overseas being helpful but I cannot say the same about the doctors I've seen in my country. What has helped me is this forum.

We have to find a way out by ourself. I am trying to look for more information as well. I'll share if anything works out.

@jacquelynsauriol has shared some informative links. You could check that. Also I had shared a similar post on this. I'll share the link if I can.

How long have you been into this nightmare? For me its 2.5 months. I woukd have been better if I had not tried few medications. The medicines made it worse for me in the 2nd month. Regret taking it.

Here's the link https://vestibular.org/forum/postid/18290/


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jacquelyn sauriol
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Posted by: @jacquelynsauriol
Posted by: @sickofthis

Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:

1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.

2. An over-activation of our immune system

3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body

4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms

5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.

Thoughts?

The jab damages our own innate immune systems, for some temporarily, for some more long term. I am hearing that the proteins are still present at 15 months.  The jab has only been available for that much time, so it could be more. To say it attacks the weak points sort of puts the blame back on the otherwise healthy victims, most of whom were OK before it. As far as I can see many of the reactions are common to poison ingestions/poisonings, due to the spike protein itself being toxic to our cells.  Harsh scene.

 

@sickofthis, to add, re your point 2)

I think it goes like this. The two main parts of the immune system are the
innate immune system, with which you are born,  and the adaptive immune system, which you develop when your body is exposed to microbes.

Because the jab bypasses the innate immune system, (if injected into the body as opposed to a natural infection) the adaptive immune system is 'caught by suprise' instead of being 'primed' properly by an initial innate response.
The over reaction is due to this injected 'suprise' and is more extreme than a natural infection,
Having had the natural infection, which I remember as the stickiest sort of gluey type of thing i ever felt (10-12/2019) I am not so suprised at the quanity of negative jab reactions simply because they are a shock to our immune systems and generate an over response.  The natural infection was all I could handle, I lost 13 pounds and was only at 130 to start.  But I got better and am still better. Many exposures, no sicknesses.  Did take Ivm prophalactically, prescribed by weight for me. Lots of Burdock Root tea high in quercitin, fresh ginger tea, saline nose rinses too.    Best
 

 

 

 

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I'm a 39 male from the UK. I had 1st and 2nd jabs of Pfyzer in May and August. I also had a booster a week ago and I am 4 days in to having Tinnitus, constantly in my right ear. The hearing in my right ear has always been a bit naff, going as far back as I can remember. I call it a weakness that I have. I think this booster was administered too soon after the 2nd jab and it's caused some kind of inflammation, possibly Labyrinthitis? During the day it doesn't bother me too much. I mean I can hear there is a constant ringing but it doesn't stop me going about my day. My ear sort of feels full. Initially I thought it was caused by compacted ear wax. I had the ear wax thing seen to today and the Tinnitus is still very much there. I just hope it doesn't intensify more than this because I don't fancy trying out Insomnia!

I have a dog and go on a decent walk across fields and through woodland everyday. About 2 miles, nothing at all difficult and it's usually really enjoyable as I like being outdoors, even when it's British winter. But since this booster I've found it really quite difficult to do the walk. I feel like I'm twice as heavy and have to tell myself "come on stop going so slow" I'm normally walking with my head up and smiling, at least inside but not lately. I seem to not be noticing things and my head is down. I have never suffered with depression and have a happy go lucky approach.

I hope this doesn't continue much longer. I will keep active and come out the other side I'm sure. When that happens I will feel happy about taking the booster. Right now I regret it.


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@medee I can also add that tinnitus is a b*tch. it decreased max 35-40% over the first 3 months, but also increased during my relapses in later months. even worse, I also got frequent SBUTT which I never had before. it has been over 6 months now and I'm ~90% recovered except the tinnitus part which is reluctant to change. f#@% that


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Posted by: @ichi

@medee I can also add that tinnitus is a b*tch. it decreased max 35-40% over the first 3 months, but also increased during my relapses in later months. even worse, I also got frequent SBUTT which I never had before. it has been over 6 months now and I'm ~90% recovered except the tinnitus part which is reluctant to change. f#@% that

I'm just 32. Do I have to bear this for the rest of my life?😳 No wayyy!!!

What is SBUTT

What other symptoms did you have which have now subsided?


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Posted by: @medee
Posted by: @ichi

@medee I can also add that tinnitus is a b*tch. it decreased max 35-40% over the first 3 months, but also increased during my relapses in later months. even worse, I also got frequent SBUTT which I never had before. it has been over 6 months now and I'm ~90% recovered except the tinnitus part which is reluctant to change. f#@% that

I'm just 32. Do I have to bear this for the rest of my life?😳 No wayyy!!!

What is SBUTT

What other symptoms did you have which have now subsided?

Yeah, I'm too young for this too 🙁 You can check the progression of my main long-lasting side-effects here: https://postimg.cc/BtMM0cH0

but SBUTT is Sudden Brief Unilateral Tapering Tinnitus. basically the tinnitus gets significantly louder for a short period of time, in my case around 10 seconds and then drops down to the base level. it was couple of times a day for months and then I didn't have it for a week or two and now it's back again. it should be "harmless" but very scary every time it happens. since there are still changes happening in my hearing then not sure whether in the future it will become better or worse.

all the best to you.


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@jkro The root cause of the Mast Cell Degranulation needs to be addressed.

Which is usually inflammation, liver function, or some sort of toxicity in the body. Until the underlying cause is addressed, stabilizing mast cells may be an avenue of reduction to the spiraling condition because the mast cell degranulation may also worsen the overall inflammatory response itself.

I'd start with reduction of inflammation, increasing the detox and restorative functions of the body, combined with a stabilization of mast cells. I predict most people with vaccine side effects will benefit from a combined approach in this manner until they can fully detox the vaccine/spike proteins out of their bodies over a period of months.

 

Some experts are working with a combination of Premier Research Colostrum-IgG Powder and Premier Research Nucleo Immune, Beta-Glucan and Nucleotide Immune Formula in combination to thwart and reverse vaccine damage. I don't have any data yet on the success other than allegedly results are promising. Colustrum, some take at least two tablespoons in water, 2 or 3x per day. Mix it with lemon or anything that may improve the taste, although some people enjoy it as it is. Nucleotides? Half a dozen every few hours and then measure improvements in vaccine injury/side effects after a few days and adjust dosages.

Others report good effect from probiotics, proteolytic enzymes and enzymes in general in combination with the above. I can't attest to those personally.

 

(Disclarimer: Only your physician is able to recommend any treatments of protocols and they should be consulted before attempting any treatment for any condition.)


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Posted by: @jacquelynsauriol
Posted by: @sickofthis

Can I ask a question to everyone on what is believed to be happening to us? I have heard many theories on here and am unsure which seems most realistic/likely. It may be different for everyone, or a combination of some of the following but I’m curious what everyone thinks. Theories I heard:

1. Jab triggered an underlying condition/virus that we had.

2. An over-activation of our immune system

3. Jab attacked our “weakest” part of our body

4. Anti-idiotype antibodies are still present and to blame for causing symptoms

5. The spike protein is causing excessive inflammation causing symptoms to manifest.

Thoughts?

The jab damages our own innate immune systems, for some temporarily, for some more long term. I am hearing that the proteins are still present at 15 months.  The jab has only been available for that much time, so it could be more. To say it attacks the weak points sort of puts the blame back on the otherwise healthy victims, most of whom were OK before it. As far as I can see many of the reactions are common to poison ingestions/poisonings, due to the spike protein itself being toxic to our cells.  Harsh scene.

 

Do you have a credible source that says the proteins are still available 15 months later? I would love to read the article. 


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sickofthis
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Posted by: @plandistry

@jkro The root cause of the Mast Cell Degranulation needs to be addressed.

Which is usually inflammation, liver function, or some sort of toxicity in the body. Until the underlying cause is addressed, stabilizing mast cells may be an avenue of reduction to the spiraling condition because the mast cell degranulation may also worsen the overall inflammatory response itself.

I'd start with reduction of inflammation, increasing the detox and restorative functions of the body, combined with a stabilization of mast cells. I predict most people with vaccine side effects will benefit from a combined approach in this manner until they can fully detox the vaccine/spike proteins out of their bodies over a period of months.

 

Some experts are working with a combination of Premier Research Colostrum-IgG Powder and Premier Research Nucleo Immune, Beta-Glucan and Nucleotide Immune Formula in combination to thwart and reverse vaccine damage. I don't have any data yet on the success other than allegedly results are promising. Colustrum, some take at least two tablespoons in water, 2 or 3x per day. Mix it with lemon or anything that may improve the taste, although some people enjoy it as it is. Nucleotides? Half a dozen every few hours and then measure improvements in vaccine injury/side effects after a few days and adjust dosages.

Others report good effect from probiotics, proteolytic enzymes and enzymes in general in combination with the above. I can't attest to those personally.

 

(Disclarimer: Only your physician is able to recommend any treatments of protocols and they should be consulted before attempting any treatment for any condition.)

Regarding reducing inflammation, wouldn’t an option be using steroids? Followed or in conjunction with a mast cell stabilizer? I just picked up my steroid dose pack and am not sure if/when to use it.


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@sickofthis yes, there is no supplement or diet that is going to reduce inflammation more than prednisone, at least acutely.  I couldn’t take my prednisone fast enough.  


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@dfish Would love to hear an update.


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@medee I can also add that tinnitus is a b*tch. it decreased max 35-40% over the first 3 months, but also increased during my relapses in later months. even worse, I also got frequent SBUTT which I never had before. it has been over 6 months now and I'm ~90% recovered except the tinnitus part which is reluctant to change. f#@% that

I'm just 32. Do I have to bear this for the rest of my life?😳 No wayyy!!!

What is SBUTT

What other symptoms did you have which have now subsided?

Yeah, I'm too young for this too 🙁 You can check the progression of my main long-lasting side-effects here: https://postimg.cc/BtMM0cH0

but SBUTT is Sudden Brief Unilateral Tapering Tinnitus. basically the tinnitus gets significantly louder for a short period of time, in my case around 10 seconds and then drops down to the base level. it was couple of times a day for months and then I didn't have it for a week or two and now it's back again. it should be "harmless" but very scary every time it happens. since there are still changes happening in my hearing then not sure whether in the future it will become better or worse.

all the best to you.

The link you shared doesn't show anything clearly.

What other symptoms you have currently apart from tinnitus?

 


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