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@medee 

I would like to add a few more things about laboratory tests for inflammation, that you are interested in.

Usually, from the usual series of inflammatory markers, only 2-3 are controlled, most often: erythrocyte sedimentation rate, C-reactive protein, white blood cell count.

If they are negative, there is a good chance that the doctor will tend to rule out inflammation and not perform other tests, which could indicate inflammation. Also, for the labs performed based on the insurance system, an important element is the cost of the laboratory tests, it is natural, therefore, sometimes is trying to perform as few tests as possible.

A larger number of tests for inflammation are usually performed by a specialist, compared to a family doctor, as well as for hospital patients.

The reason why there are several parameters of inflammation, not just one, is that there are different types of inflammation, and each parameter can identify certain types of inflammation. 

Inflammation markers are important, for example, to diagnose inflammation or to monitor its progress under treatment.

But in case of vax injuries, it seems that routine markers of inflammation are often not affected, so even though affected people talk about inflammation, this may not be recognized by doctors, as laboratory tests do not confirm this.

Therefore, I personally believe that, in your case, these laboratory tests would not provide enough information and it is much more important that the financial effort be focused on treatment methods.

Inflammation is a phenomenon that a person can often admit to himself, because, for example, everyone has experienced, in their life, a cold, a blow, a fever, a burn, and so they know how it is, how it feels. Thus, one's own perception is important, it must be told to the doctor.

Pain is often a sign of inflammation. Tachycardia (if there is), too. So there are arguments to argue that it is an inflammation. Pain is subjective, it may not be believed. The intense pain is more pronounced, for example, it is seen on the face of someone, can be believed.

Tachycardia, if any, is an objective sign and could be cause by inflammation, is known.

I think, generally, it is useful to make some individual lists, for example, for a visit to the doctor, namely, to present the list of symptoms, very complete, as well as a list of items that are objective. Because the objective elements can convince the doctor that it is something organic, and not just “anxiety”, "psycho-somatic symptoms”. 

I have to ask, be cause it is good to note: in your case, are the heartbeats strong or is the heart rate increased (or both)?

It is useful to have a personal pulse oximeter and measure your heart rate at different times of the day, as well as in different body positions (lying down or upright).

Sometimes the strong heartbeat is not associated with an increase in heart rate, meaning tachycardia.

Many people with vax injuries notice that their symptoms are changing, so tachycardia may not be present at the time of a medical consultation, which usually takes place in the morning.

Some have noted that tachycardia is more present in the evening or at night. Therefore, at a medical consultation in the morning, it may not be present when the pulse is being examined, or on an ECG.

If tachycardia is recorded at home, in the evening or at night, but not at the doctor's during the morning, it is useful to make video recordings with the phone, to have objective evidence of tachycardia.


   
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@medee From my experience and I have read many others say the same, blood work seems to come back normal. All mine showed was low vitamin D. 

Kim, I've done blood works but those didn't cover inflammation markers. I'm certain if there's inflammation, I'd show up.

For me as well, it only showed my deficiency on vitamin D. 

As far as I remember, someone here had done some blood works on inflammation.

Hi Dee,

My blood test shows positive antinuclear antibody - this an indication of inflammation - could be an auto-immune disorder. But dr unable to determine which type of auto-immune.

I now take turmeric and omega-3 fish oil as these has anti-inflammantory benefits.

What's the exact name of this test?

Antinuclear Antibody (ANA).


   
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@floryeo i have the same problem. My blood test also shows positive antinuclear antibody but cannot determine which type of autoimmune disorder


   
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@plandistry Clemastine is going to be the best. Not only because it is one of the safest and most effective H1 Antihistamines but also because it helps restore Myelin Sheath. You can order it from overseas, and I think one or two people sell it on Ebay. Or if you know a Veterinarian and can get a prescription, or can make the claim it's for your pet, you can get it from Petco, Chewy and other places - ironic eh?

I just read that Wal Hist (brand name) can be purchased over the counter.

Active ingredient (in each tablet)

Clemastine fumarate, USP 1.34 mg (equivalent to 1 mg clemastine)

Purpose

Antihistamine


   
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@lmkk did you have issues where certain patterns in your peripheral would vibrate?  If so, did it go away?


   
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@lmkk hi kitkat did you take anything or did they just get better with time?  I went to the eye doctor and he told me the spot in my vision is CSR. I guess it’s caused by stress and goes away on its own in time (months).

I've been taking a daily multivitamin, turmeric, pineapple juice, and eating anti inflammatory for the last few months. I have taken nothing else apart from the occasional ibuprofen I prefer to let my body sort itself out naturally. My eye problems were worse when I had the headache and lasted a good couple of months before they started getting better around Xmas.

Do you have or had any neurological issues? Nerve pain, burning, sharp and stabbing pins n needles, muscle tremors anything of this sort?


   
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Posted by: @floryeo
Posted by: @medee
Posted by: @kim-h

@medee From my experience and I have read many others say the same, blood work seems to come back normal. All mine showed was low vitamin D. 

Kim, I've done blood works but those didn't cover inflammation markers. I'm certain if there's inflammation, I'd show up.

For me as well, it only showed my deficiency on vitamin D. 

As far as I remember, someone here had done some blood works on inflammation.

Hi Dee,

My blood test shows positive antinuclear antibody - this an indication of inflammation - could be an auto-immune disorder. But dr unable to determine which type of auto-immune.

I now take turmeric and omega-3 fish oil as these has anti-inflammantory benefits.

@tennyson77 did you also do the ANA test?


   
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Posted by: @floryeo
Posted by: @medee
Posted by: @kim-h

@medee From my experience and I have read many others say the same, blood work seems to come back normal. All mine showed was low vitamin D. 

Kim, I've done blood works but those didn't cover inflammation markers. I'm certain if there's inflammation, I'd show up.

For me as well, it only showed my deficiency on vitamin D. 

As far as I remember, someone here had done some blood works on inflammation.

Hi Dee,

My blood test shows positive antinuclear antibody - this an indication of inflammation - could be an auto-immune disorder. But dr unable to determine which type of auto-immune.

I now take turmeric and omega-3 fish oil as these has anti-inflammantory benefits.

I will check if I can get this done too. 

But what are the doctors saying in this? Since they don't know what to conclude by the positive test, did they suggest any supplements or say body will heal on it's own?🤔


   
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@medee I plan to order an ANA test too. I don’t think standard blood tests done by my doctor covered this. Immune blood tests done by doctor did show I have low IgM which I think he said relates to immediate immune response. I.e. normal should be higher than mine. I’d like to know from the ANA test if there could be some autoimmune activity going on, potentially as well as the vestibular disorder I am expecting to soon be diagnosed with. If yes, I plan to ask doctor if this further increases the likelihood that an off target immune response to the vaccine could be the root cause of my symptoms. I don’t yet know if there would be any treatment though for the auto immune side of things.


   
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@medee I plan to order an ANA test too. I don’t think standard blood tests done by my doctor covered this. Immune blood tests done by doctor did show I have low IgM which I think he said relates to immediate immune response. I.e. normal should be higher than mine. I’d like to know from the ANA test if there could be some autoimmune activity going on, potentially as well as the vestibular disorder I am expecting to soon be diagnosed with. If yes, I plan to ask doctor if this further increases the likelihood that an off target immune response to the vaccine could be the root cause of my symptoms. I don’t yet know if there would be any treatment though for the auto immune side of things.

Since there are 2 people who said their doctors were useless, I doubt we'd know any details even if the report says we're positive.

But since we all know this is vaccine induced I'm hoping this must go back to normal someday. I hope it doesn't take forever to reverse.

What I think we can do is, do the blood works and track it in months to see if they reduce or increase or remain the same. I'm trying to find out what other tests I can do but since I have no medical support here, it is difficult for me to know the exact names of the tests which might be helpful.

We'll just have to keep doing what we're doing for now and hope it heals our body soon.

I'll speak with a few labs here and check if they can help. Will do this plus antibodies tests to match the results. Don't know if it will help or its just waste of money but at least we can try.


   
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@medee 

Hi, Dee.

It is perfectly understandable that you find it difficult to start taking supplements or medications. But they offer real hope for improvement.

Personally, I encourage you to try something.

They must be taken to make everything more bearable and thus to have the strength to fight and keep working.

What you can try depends primarily on what is available in your country. But India is famous for its traditional medicine, I'm sure you can find many, many good ones.

Many supplements are generally well tolerated, but for caution, they may be introduced gradually so that action and tolerance can be observed for each.

If more are taken at the same time, it is difficult to differentiate what helps and what is tolerant for each individual.
It is unusual, for someone who has been healthy, to take many pills a day, even if some are supliments or over-the-counter medications, but, as most people say, you get to take many kinds of pills daily, several times a day each.

Some supplements or drugs have an obvious rapid action, but others act only beneficial over time.

This is very important to note. As all the experiences described by those affected show, the symptoms are constantly changing, they appear and pass, some are activated more in the evening or at night, and, very importantly: despite a good treatment that helps, new symptoms appear.

There are also general stages of activation and remission of all symptoms.

These elements are characteristic and it is good to be aware of this.
It is necessary to take all this into account, because, when introducing a supplement or medicine, which is known to help, it is possible that, only by coincidence with the behavioral pattern of the simptoms, as I said above, aggravation occurs.

That is why it is good to keep a diary of your symptoms, diet and supplements. As the history of the condition is quite long, it can be useful to remember the correlations that can be made.

To you, the fact that the heart symptoms appeared after the antidepressant was used, I must say what I think: it can only be a coincidence. So it wasn't the drug that was the reason. Or, maybe it was an activation of the disease through a food of that day, because about food allergies that can be associated, it is known.

Heart symptoms after vax are common, even very common. They would have appeared anyway, I think. Sure, it's an opinion, but I've written the arguments.

Because it is a persistent inflammation of the nervous system, supplements such as alpha lipoic acid, vitamins B1, B2, B12, omega 3, I think are essential, for example, to take a first step, for example.

Then, pain treatment, antihistamines and so on, gradually more can be introduced, are needed.
Personally, to treat Lyme, I took over 50 pills a day, which was difficult. It is an experience in using natural remedies and durgs for a long time.

Hey Alia, thank you for your response.

Well, I too feel I must try some supplements and I'm trying to find out what suits best. 

About the heart issues, I never had any sort of issues ever in my life ever. Post the jab, I did develop chest pains but was bearable but one day it became very bad. I also know someone else you faced the same issue after taking medicines so it is definitely vaccine induced.

To add on, whatever tablets I took initially only made my condition worse and current one aggravated while new manifested.

Anti depressants are said to have the most horrible side effects. I learnt this later. Also the tablet I took had listed palpitations as a side effect. I went back to this doctor after I guess, 2-3 weeks since I wanted him to do a few tests for me. I did ask him again n again why has this caused so much mess... to which he said, "Maybe the vaccine caused some disturbance in your body and the tablet caused more disturbance."

It's all related. Many here were smart enough to not take any medication. I didn't have a clue that just 1 tablet will mess my heart so bad.


   
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Posted by: @sunrise
Posted by: @medee

Has anyone done any blood works for inflammation? If so, could I get the names of these tests. 

I'd wanna do it too. I can do it without a Doctor's letter; however, they'd need the names of the tests from me.

If anyone could help with these...

 

Hi, Dee.

Commonly used inflammatory biomarkers include:

-erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR)

-acute phase proteins: high-sensitivity C-reactive protein (CRP) and several other: fibrinogen, ferritin, etc.

-white blood cell count and differential

-procalcitonin (PCT)

-interleukin 6 (IL-6)

-serum protein electrophoresis.

Clinicians often test multiple inflammatory markers.

An increased D-dimer test, also, may indirectly indicate that there is inflammation in the body.

Maybe some of you have already been investigated.

It is very relevant that many people with side effects to vax report about normal tests, including the inflammation markers. This may suggest that there is no point in doing these laboratory tests, especially if they are made at their own expense.

I read that there are doctors who have put together a set of tests, that are not routine, they may indicate inflammation in this particular case, of the undesirable effects after vax.

Best thoughts to you and everyone.

Wondering why would inflammation tests too come normal for us🤔🤔🤔

Are you a Nurse or have done these tests yourself?


   
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Posted by: @sunrise

@medee 

I would like to add a few more things about laboratory tests for inflammation, that you are interested in.

Usually, from the usual series of inflammatory markers, only 2-3 are controlled, most often: erythrocyte sedimentation rate, C-reactive protein, white blood cell count.

If they are negative, there is a good chance that the doctor will tend to rule out inflammation and not perform other tests, which could indicate inflammation. Also, for the labs performed based on the insurance system, an important element is the cost of the laboratory tests, it is natural, therefore, sometimes is trying to perform as few tests as possible.

A larger number of tests for inflammation are usually performed by a specialist, compared to a family doctor, as well as for hospital patients.

The reason why there are several parameters of inflammation, not just one, is that there are different types of inflammation, and each parameter can identify certain types of inflammation. 

Inflammation markers are important, for example, to diagnose inflammation or to monitor its progress under treatment.

But in case of vax injuries, it seems that routine markers of inflammation are often not affected, so even though affected people talk about inflammation, this may not be recognized by doctors, as laboratory tests do not confirm this.

Therefore, I personally believe that, in your case, these laboratory tests would not provide enough information and it is much more important that the financial effort be focused on treatment methods.

Inflammation is a phenomenon that a person can often admit to himself, because, for example, everyone has experienced, in their life, a cold, a blow, a fever, a burn, and so they know how it is, how it feels. Thus, one's own perception is important, it must be told to the doctor.

Pain is often a sign of inflammation. Tachycardia (if there is), too. So there are arguments to argue that it is an inflammation. Pain is subjective, it may not be believed. The intense pain is more pronounced, for example, it is seen on the face of someone, can be believed.

Tachycardia, if any, is an objective sign and could be cause by inflammation, is known.

I think, generally, it is useful to make some individual lists, for example, for a visit to the doctor, namely, to present the list of symptoms, very complete, as well as a list of items that are objective. Because the objective elements can convince the doctor that it is something organic, and not just “anxiety”, "psycho-somatic symptoms”. 

I have to ask, be cause it is good to note: in your case, are the heartbeats strong or is the heart rate increased (or both)?

It is useful to have a personal pulse oximeter and measure your heart rate at different times of the day, as well as in different body positions (lying down or upright).

Sometimes the strong heartbeat is not associated with an increase in heart rate, meaning tachycardia.

Many people with vax injuries notice that their symptoms are changing, so tachycardia may not be present at the time of a medical consultation, which usually takes place in the morning.

Some have noted that tachycardia is more present in the evening or at night. Therefore, at a medical consultation in the morning, it may not be present when the pulse is being examined, or on an ECG.

If tachycardia is recorded at home, in the evening or at night, but not at the doctor's during the morning, it is useful to make video recordings with the phone, to have objective evidence of tachycardia.

I wasn't aware there are so many tests for inflammation alone.

Do you have any idea about ANA blood test?

As I've already mentioned how this heart issue began, I'll skip that part and come to the heart rate question

Right now what I feel is too odd. I have chest tightness which began around Jan 8th or so. Feel so crawling sort of feeling there and herat rate feels off.

My palpitations had vanished towards the start of December and came back towards the end after a certain activity.

 


   
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Posted by: @jaydev55

@lmkk did you have issues where certain patterns in your peripheral would vibrate?  If so, did it go away?

Absolutely yes.

This phenomenon really freaked me out. Little sections of my vision field would tremble or vibrate slightly. It only lasted for a few seconds each time. Some days it happened lots some days not too much.

I noticed it more if I was looking at my blinds which are dark brown against the bright light coming through them or when I was looking at stuff with lots of patterns on it.

Think the condition is oscillioscopia.

Here is a useful link to read about it:

https://vestibular.org/article/diagnosis-treatment/vision-hearing/vision-challenges-with-vestibular-disorders/

Lately I have experienced some improvement in it. 

If you put in oscillioscopia in the search section it will pull up other posts where others have mentioned this condition. I believe there are at least two others on here who described the phenomenon.

 


   
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Posted by: @medee
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@lmkk hi kitkat did you take anything or did they just get better with time?  I went to the eye doctor and he told me the spot in my vision is CSR. I guess it’s caused by stress and goes away on its own in time (months).

I've been taking a daily multivitamin, turmeric, pineapple juice, and eating anti inflammatory for the last few months. I have taken nothing else apart from the occasional ibuprofen I prefer to let my body sort itself out naturally. My eye problems were worse when I had the headache and lasted a good couple of months before they started getting better around Xmas.

Do you have or had any neurological issues? Nerve pain, burning, sharp and stabbing pins n needles, muscle tremors anything of this sort?

Yes I experienced all that you have listed still ongoing at 6 months but not as strong as initially.


   
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